Re: your post to [-empyre-] the symbolic and the real (fwd)

[Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com>]

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:03:23 +1000
From: Adam Nash <adam@yamanakanash.net>
To: post-avatar <post-avatar@yamanakanash.net>
Cc: Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: your post to [-empyre-] the symbolic and the real

Alan, I'm particularly interested in your response to Saul's comment on
empyre, but tangentially as it relates to post-avatar - would you mind
expanding on it in relation to MU worlds? What do you mean by hidden
structures - do you mean the code itself, or the 'architecture' of the world?
And how is the viewpoint always decided? If audience self-navigate during a
virtual performance, particularly in out-of-avatar mode, isn't it undecided?

Adam

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:44:47 -0400 (EDT), Alan Sondheim wrote
> Perhaps but only to a limited extent - first, because VR always has a
> concrete structure/protocols - WYSIWYG - and second, because there
> are always hidden structures; the viewpoint is always decided,
> always a preferential one.
>
> Alan
>
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, saul ostrow wrote:
>
> > can we truly imagine something that has no corresponding physical
> > attributes in the material world  -- isn't VR a bit like building a
> > unicorn -- consequently it would fall under the Lacanian notion of the
> > imagined or Benjamin's notion  of the phantasmagoria -- in other words
> > it is a world of nothing but representation and as such it is always
> > already symbolic -- the  real  of it is  the experience of it, not  the
> > constructed illusions that are  experienced -- in this the participant
> > makes the imagined real
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